20.1.19

Christ's pre-mortal roles


Jesus Christ was known in the pre-mortal world as Jehovah (Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, and 26:4).  

As Jehovah, Jesus Christ became the first-born of the Father (of us all) in the spirit, just as He was the first-born of the Father (and the only-born of the Father in the flesh)!  

As a spirit child, Jehovah learned all from the Father (His character, perfections, attributes, "merciful and gracious, long suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth" (Exodus 34:6), "The Lord executes righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed...  slow to anger and plenteous in mercy" (Psalms 103:6-8),  "the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children, to such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them" (Psalms 103:17-18), "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, you are God" (Psalms 90:2), "And you, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands: they shall perish, but you shall remain; and they shall wax old as a garment; and as a vesture shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail" (Hebrews 1:10-12), "Every good gift, and every perfect gift, is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights; with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning" (James 1:17), "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed" (Malachi 3:6).

From Joseph Smith revealed, in the Lectures on Faith, "First, That he was God before the world was created, and the same God that he was, after it was created.  Secondly, That he is merciful, and gracious, slow to anger, abundant in goodness, and that he was so from everlasting, and will be to everlasting.  Thirdly, That he changes not, neither is there variableness with him; but that he is the same from everlasting to everlasting, being the same yesterday to-day and forever; and that his course is one eternal round, without variation.  Fourthly, That he is a God of truth and cannot lie.  Fifthly, That he is no respecter of persons; but in every nation he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him.  Sixthly, That he is love."

[Doctrine and Covenants, section 3], commencing in the [second verse]: "For God does not walk in crooked paths, neither does he turn to the right hand or the left, or vary from that which he has said, therefore his paths are strait, and his course is one eternal round:" [Doctrine and Covenants, section] 35:1: "Listen to the voice of the Lord your God, even Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whose course is one eternal round, the same yesterday to-day and forever."
Numbers 23:19: "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man that he should repent." 1 John 4:8: "He that loves not, knows not God; for God is love." Acts 10:34: "Then Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons, but in every nation he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted with him."

JPS

9.1.19

What’s this about “proxy work”? Baptisms by proxy?


Doctrine & Covenants section 138 sheds the most light on our temple work.  How could President Joseph F. Smith have seen his brother Alvin in the Celestial glory (D&C 138:5 “5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;”) even though he had was born on February 11, 1798 but had died on November 19, 1823, almost seven years before the church was organized (April 6, 1830), and the practice of being baptized for the deceased wasn’t practiced (in this dispensation—see 1 Corinthians 15:29 “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”) until 1840.

In Doctrine & Covenants section 127, it reads, starting inverse 4:

“6 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning your dead: When any of you are baptized for your dead, let there be a recorder, and let him be eye-witness of your baptisms; let him hear with his ears, that he may testify of a truth, saith the Lord;
7 That in all your recordings it may be recorded in heaven; whatsoever you bind on earth, may be bound in heaven; whatsoever you loose on earth, may be loosed in heaven;
8 For I am about to restore many things to the earth, pertaining to the priesthood, saith the Lord of Hosts.
9 And again, let all the records be had in order, that they may be put in the archives of my holy temple, to be held in remembrance from generation to generation, saith the Lord of Hosts.”

And section 128 reads:

“4 Then, let there be a general recorder, to whom these other records can be handed, being attended with certificates over their own signatures, certifying that the record they have made is true. Then the general church recorder can enter the record on the general church book, with the certificates and all the attending witnesses, with his own statement that he verily believes the above statement and records to be true, from his knowledge of the general character and appointment of those men by the church. And when this is done on the general church book, the record shall be just as holy, and shall answer the ordinance just the same as if he had seen with his eyes and heard with his ears, and made a record of the same on the general church book.
5 You may think this order of things to be very particular; but let me tell you that it is only to answer the will of God, by conforming to the ordinance and preparation that the Lord ordained and prepared before the foundation of the world, for the salvation of the dead who should die without a knowledge of the gospel.
6 And further, I want you to remember that John the Revelator was contemplating this very subject in relation to the dead, when he declared, as you will find recorded in Revelation 20:12--And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
7 You will discover in this quotation that the books were opened; and another book was opened, which was the book of life; but the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works; consequently, the books spoken of must be the books which contained the record of their works, and refer to the records which are kept on the earth. And the book which was the book of life is the record which is kept in heaven; the principle agreeing precisely with the doctrine which is commanded you in the revelation contained in the letter which I wrote to you previous to my leaving my place--that in all your recordings it may be recorded in heaven.
8 Now, the nature of this ordinance consists in the power of the priesthood, by the revelation of Jesus Christ, wherein it is granted that whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Or, in other words, taking a different view of the translation, whatsoever you record on earth shall be recorded in heaven, and whatsoever you do not record on earth shall not be recorded in heaven; for out of the books shall your dead be judged, according to their own works, whether they themselves have attended to the ordinances in their own propria persona, or by the means of their own agents, according to the ordinance which God has prepared for their salvation from before the foundation of the world, according to the records which they have kept concerning their dead.
9 It may seem to some to be a very bold doctrine that we talk of--a power which records or binds on earth and binds in heaven. Nevertheless, in all ages of the world, whenever the Lord has given a dispensation of the priesthood to any man by actual revelation, or any set of men, this power has always been given. Hence, whatsoever those men did in authority, in the name of the Lord, and did it truly and faithfully, and kept a proper and faithful record of the same, it became a law on earth and in heaven, and could not be annulled, according to the decrees of the great Jehovah. This is a faithful saying. Who can hear it?
10 And again, for the precedent, Matthew 16:18, 19: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
11 Now the great and grand secret of the whole matter, and the summum bonum of the whole subject that is lying before us, consists in obtaining the powers of the Holy Priesthood. For him to whom these keys are given there is no difficulty in obtaining a knowledge of facts in relation to the salvation of the children of men, both as well for the dead as for the living.
12 Herein is glory and honor, and immortality and eternal life--The ordinance of baptism by water, to be immersed therein in order to answer to the likeness of the dead, that one principle might accord with the other; to be immersed in the water and come forth out of the water is in the likeness of the resurrection of the dead in coming forth out of their graves; hence, this ordinance was instituted to form a relationship with the ordinance of baptism for the dead, being in likeness of the dead.
13 Consequently, the baptismal font was instituted as a similitude of the grave, and was commanded to be in a place underneath where the living are wont to assemble, to show forth the living and the dead, and that all things may have their likeness, and that they may accord one with another--that which is earthly conforming to that which is heavenly, as Paul hath declared, 1 Corinthians 15:46, 47, and 48:
14 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as are the records on the earth in relation to your dead, which are truly made out, so also are the records in heaven. This, therefore, is the sealing and binding power, and, in one sense of the word, the keys of the kingdom, which consist in the key of knowledge.
15 And now, my dearly beloved brethren and sisters, let me assure you that these are principles in relation to the dead and the living that cannot be lightly passed over, as pertaining to our salvation. For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation, as Paul says concerning the fathers--that they without us cannot be made perfect--neither can we without our dead be made perfect.
16 And now, in relation to the baptism for the dead, I will give you another quotation of Paul, 1 Corinthians 15:29: Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?
17 And again, in connection with this quotation I will give you a quotation from one of the prophets, who had his eye fixed on the restoration of the priesthood, the glories to be revealed in the last days, and in an especial manner this most glorious of all subjects belonging to the everlasting gospel, namely, the baptism for the dead; for Malachi says, last chapter, verses 5th and 6th: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
18 I might have rendered a plainer translation to this, but it is sufficiently plain to suit my purpose as it stands. It is sufficient to know, in this case, that the earth will be smitten with a curse unless there is a welding link of some kind or other between the fathers and the children, upon some subject or other--and behold what is that subject? It is the baptism for the dead. For we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect. Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also; for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time. And not only this, but those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times.
19 Now, what do we hear in the gospel which we have received? A voice of gladness! A voice of mercy from heaven; and a voice of truth out of the earth; glad tidings for the dead; a voice of gladness for the living and the dead; glad tidings of great joy. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that bring glad tidings of good things, and that say unto Zion: Behold, thy God reigneth! As the dews of Carmel, so shall the knowledge of God descend upon them!

Proxy baptisms work in the same way that Christ's Atonement works for each and every man, woman, and child on this Earth--BY PROXY!!!

JPS

3.1.19

Why did Our Heavenly Father place a VEIL OF FORGETFULNESS over our minds?


A veil of forgetfulness?  What is that; I’ve never seen one...

Well, it's kind of hard to imagine and hard to see it as an integral part of the Plan of Salvation that makes "agency" possible!  What?

How does the veil make agency possible?  Isn't it a negative thing?  I mean, who wants to forget things?  I don't...

Well... that is, I don’t want to forget things that are integral in my life that are integral in my efforts to follow God and His Christ.  Abraham 3:25 reminds us that Christ says, “And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them”.

Prove, me now...  Herewith to see if I won’t do all things that are asked of me (by Thee--Malachi 3:10 or 3 Nephi 24:10!

If there was no veil to help us forget the pre-Earth life, we would know that God the Father is our Father in Heaven and what that meant to us and means to us and what we will do with that knowledge, and we would not be able to either follow God’s plan, with near exactness (but be guilty of sin when we didn’t...), or we would be guilty of an outright sin when we strayed from Our Father’s will!

Without the veil, the only choices would be: Follow God’s Plan of Salvation or sin.  I suppose, agency would still be possible—we can always choose—but, there would be more sinning, and consequently, more suffering for Jesus Christ.  Who wants that?  I do not!

In Matthew 13:11-15, the Savior spoke about parables—11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.“

Christ Jesus obviously does not want to damn anyone but to give all of Heavenly Father’s children the most that he’s capable of giving...

I need to reword my initial question: “How does the veil make agency possible?”  Answer: I does not.  It simply makes man less accountable and makes the test possible!

Nah...  I need to think more about this!

President Dallin Harris Oaks said, in One of his October 2018 talks, “God created this Earth, where His beloved spirit children could be born into mortality, to receive a physical body and to have the opportunity for Eternal progress by making righteous choices.”  He continues, “To be meaningful, mortal choices had to be made betweeen contesting choices of good and evil.”

Elder Renlund says, in his 10/2018 talk, “Choose You This Day”, “personal choice was—and is—vital to this plan, which we learned about in our premortal existence. We accepted the plan and chose to come to earth.to ensure that we would exercise faith and learn to use our agency properly, a veil of forgetfulness was drawn over our minds—so we would not remember God’s Plan.  Without that veil, God’s purposes would not be achieved, because we could not progress and become the trusted inheritors he wants us to be [without it].”

JPS

Why calleth thou, me, good?


The Savior is speaking with a young man in Matthew 19:17, and the man says, “Good Master”, to which the Savior replies: “Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus was not feigning humility but was reverencing His Father—the One True God and the Example to everyone in the entire universe, but even more importantly, the Example that Jesus looks-to in every thought, word, and deed!  He does nothing, of Himself, but what He has seen the Father do!

We, as mortal humans, though also sons or daughters of God, look to Christ for our example and Christ, looks to His Father as the Ultimate Example.

That is why He could ask, “Why calleth, thou, me, good?”

JPS